Paul Eres ([info]rinku) wrote,
@ 2005-06-13 07:17:00
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Entry tags:ethics, history, philosophy, politics, world

the use of philosophy
this entry is partly for papertygre and partly because i want to concretize in my mind specific examples of the use of philosophy. so the question is: what is philosophy (and abstract thinking in general) useful for? i don't want unexampled statements like 'well, it moves history' which are overly abstract themselves. yes, it moves history, but what are some particular examples? here's a short list, off the top of my head:

1) philosophy is responsible for the formation of the two world superpowers of the 20th century: the american government was based on the philosophy of john locke (and other enlightenment thinkers), and the ussr was based on the philosophy of karl marx. so you have the two biggest forces the world has ever known being direct results of philosophizing. arguably, nazi germany was also the product of philosophy, the german idealists -- and perhaps that gov was so short-lived because the philosophy it based itself on was so irrational.

2) philosophy is responsible for the development (and maintenence) of the scientific method (including such things as resistence to pseudo-science and religion), which is in turn responsible for most of the technology in the world. aristotle didn't just create the syllogism, he created most scientific fields as well. i believe philosophy has been called 'the queen of science'? and mathematics the king? something like that. those are accurate in the sense that all the different scientific fields are the children of a marriage of philosophy (particularly epistemology) and mathematics.

3) all ethics are philosophical, and therefore when someone acts based on what they believe is right and what is wrong (rather than by unconscious habit, emotional whim, pragmatism/compromise, or some other way) philosophy influences those particular actions. it may not always be a good ethics, and the actions may not always have good results, but there's an undeniable relationship between a person's actions and what ethics he adheres to: mormons tend to act differently than marxists, who tend to act differently than existentialists, who tend to act differently than stoics -- there are of course many examples of people who believe one thing and act in the opposite way; there are promiscuous drug-crazed muslims, and hedonistic objectivists. but i'm talking general trends within a group here, not particular cases.

this is just a beginning of suggestions, please contribute more ideas.

interestingly, so far all of these things are kind of too wide to see in everyday life, but easy to see if you take a historical perspective, or the perspective of a person's actions over their lifetime, and their group's actions, rather than any particular action. so it's forgivable to think that philosophy has no use, its use only becomes apparent when you look to the very big scale.



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[info]cwoxviii
2005-06-13 04:06 pm UTC (link)
Philosophy aims to answer two questions:

1) How does the universe work?
2) What are we supposed to do with ourselves?

Seen in that light, philosophy is the king of useful things, or rather ultimately the only useful thing.

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[info]papertygre
2005-06-13 06:19 pm UTC (link)
I thought (1) was for physics.

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[info]rinku
2005-06-14 07:23 am UTC (link)
by (1) i think he meant 'what is the nature of existence' (which is the domain of metaphysics) rather than 'what is the nature of this universe in particular' -- metaphysics would apply to all potential universes, physics just to this particular one.

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[info]rinku
2005-06-14 07:22 am UTC (link)
this comment broke the request of being unspecific! (so did rubberband's)

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[info]rubberbandiv
2005-06-14 03:21 am UTC (link)
Physics is the "science of everything," but philosophy is the Everything of Everything, as I see it.

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[info]rinku
2005-06-14 07:20 am UTC (link)
more specifically, physics is the study of the most basic physical laws. philosophy, by contrast, is the study of the highest/widest abstractions.

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[info]zudans
2005-06-16 12:14 am UTC (link)
interestingly, so far all of these things are kind of too wide to see in everyday life, but easy to see if you take a historical perspective, or the perspective of a person's actions over their lifetime, and their group's actions, rather than any particular action. so it's forgivable to think that philosophy has no use, its use only becomes apparent when you look to the very big scale.
wrong.
philosophy is much more central to our immediate individual existence/consciousness than most people grasp.
mental health (or neurosis) has its root in the consistency and accuracy of our personal philosophy (whether consious and well formulated or not)
free will (value based voluntary decisions) require values (based on philosophy) to perform the most basic acts of daily living
art, joy, pride (daily pleasures for me) all have their basis in individual philosophy
need i go on?

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[info]rinku
2005-06-16 03:35 am UTC (link)
oh man, where did you learn your interpersonal skills? comment with more politeness and i'll respond.

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[info]zudans
2005-06-16 09:05 pm UTC (link)
okay, maybe "wrong" was a little harsh.
the substance was that the way we interact with our world: our psychology and what we value (the basis of our voluntary decisions) all day, every day is based on our philosophy (whether it is well thought out and conscious or not [i.e. those who deny a need for philosophy fail to understand that they have a subconscious, and very likely, self-destructive one]).
it does not take history or major political movements to see philosophy in action every day.
it is interesting (for me at least) to discuss current events with people.
the way they respond reveals a great deal about their philosophy.
the same is true with many daily events (sports, work, hobbies, social environments, etc.)
it is particularly evident when adverse events occur
better?

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[info]rinku
2005-06-16 10:22 pm UTC (link)
it's more polite, but now it's confusing because i'm not sure what you're talking about. tentatively my best guess is that we are referring to a different thing by the word 'philosophy'. i'm referring to explicit philosophies and philosophers, whereas you seem to be referring to it in a more general sense, like 'what a person believes life is like'. this entry was intended to address the question of what particular philosophies and philosophers are good for, and what teaching philosophy as a professor is good for, and things like that, not what philosophy in your more general sense is good for.

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