Paul Eres ([info]rinku) wrote,
@ 2008-03-13 16:04:00
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(A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.
(B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000.
(C) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171.

(A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000.
Yes, that is 80 million.
(B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is 1,500.
(C) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is 0.000188.

Statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners. (taken from here)


They seemed to intend that as a defense of gun ownership but I think it's really more of a condemnation of doctors. It's pretty scary that almost one in five doctors will kill someone accidentally.

Note that this doesn't include things like trying to save someone and failing, it means just accidental deaths, like mistakenly performing a surgury on person A instead of person B, or stuff like mixing up medical prescriptions; easily avoidable things. Remember the woman who went to a hospital to give birth, and woke up without arms or legs, and the hospital refused to tell her why?


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[info]konami
2008-03-13 08:23 pm UTC (link)
I wonder how I'd look when we switch accidental with non-accidental.

Most of the time somebody is shot it's no accident. Not many doctors kill people on purpose (but some do).

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[info]rinku
2008-03-13 10:14 pm UTC (link)
Hmm, true.

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[info]cwoxviii
2008-03-14 04:39 am UTC (link)
Sure, except "accidental deaths" are one of the big rallying cries for anti-gun people. This just debunks that point.

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[info]novahero
2008-03-13 08:26 pm UTC (link)
the lady in that story has every right to know, they're possibly trying to stall the inevitable admittance of a mistake on their part.

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[info]aethereall
2008-03-13 10:53 pm UTC (link)
Perhaps I should decline that interview I got at the UGA College of Pharmacy...

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A prescription for you... a prescription...for death
[info]arque
2008-03-14 01:04 am UTC (link)
DR. GUN

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[info]jordan179
2008-03-14 02:41 am UTC (link)
Remember the woman who went to a hospital to give birth, and woke up without arms or legs, and the hospital refused to tell her why?

I'm astonished at the stupidity of the hospital. The last thing I'd want to do, if I were that hospital administrator, is remind her that she has grounds for a lawsuit.

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[info]cwoxviii
2008-03-14 04:41 am UTC (link)
It doesn't seem to me that that accident rate is equivalent of a "condemnation" of doctors. The only way to prove that the accident rate is actually bad is to compare it to the death rate if there were no doctors at all, excluding the people who die either way (since obviously then the doctors had no effect one way or the other). In other words, it's a cost-effective risk.

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[info]rinku
2008-03-14 04:43 am UTC (link)
You can also compare it to other countries which have a much lower accidental death rate from doctors (if that's true, I have no idea if Europe etc. have more accidental deaths from doctors than in the US).

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[info]cwoxviii
2008-03-14 04:52 am UTC (link)
Even that would mean that they were bad only in a relative sense (i.e., worse than better doctors), not that they were bad absolutely (i.e., worse than the qualitatively different alternative). I also doubt that it's true, considering medical accidents of this kind are often bureaucratic or administrative mistakes, and other democracies have no shortage of bureaucracy and administration in their medical system.

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[info]rinku
2008-03-14 04:58 am UTC (link)
Being bad in a relative sense would still be useful knowledge, though.

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[info]abi_dierecte
2008-03-14 04:09 pm UTC (link)
Agreed. Furthermore, if "doctor" is equivalent to "gun" here, then we'd also want to look at no only the numbers of doctors and guns, but frequency of use. How many *uses* of a gun result in an accidental death vis-a-vis *uses* of a doctor?

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